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Conspiracists Say Recent Shootings ‘False Flag’ Attacks by Government

By Leah Nelson on August 27, 2012 - 2:27 pm, Posted in Antigovernment, Conspiracies, Patriot Groups

Kurt Nimmo says that there is no problem with violent white supremacists in the military.

His boss, Alex Jones, says that there is no problem with gun violence in America – at least, no problem that’s not a result of government-sponsored “mind-control” experiments.

Jones and Nimmo, who are among the biggest spinners of conspiracy theories in the United States, are revered within the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, which is always eager to ascribe malevolent plots to the government. Their fantastical allegations appeared recently on Infowars and PrisonPlanet, Jones-run websites that warn obsessively of a supposed government conspiracy to surrender national sovereignty to the forces of a fascistic “New World Order.”

In an articles published Aug. 6 and 22, Nimmo alleged that the FBI creates fake white supremacist groups and installs their members in the armed forces, all as part of an elaborate plot to “demonize veterans.” He claimed that Wade Michael Page, the neo-Nazi Army veteran who murdered six people at a Wisconsin Sikh temple before killing himself earlier this month, was somehow connected to one of these government-sponsored false flag operations.

“The Southern Poverty Law Center characterized Page as a white supremacist who fronted a ‘hate rock band,’” Nimmo wrote. “The SPLC also connected the former soldier to the National Alliance. The leader of that group, former Green Beret David Kellerman, admitted he worked for the FBI.”

It’s true that Kellerman was once a member of the National Alliance. He’s also a former weapons sergeant in the U.S. Special Forces.

Those are pretty much the only facts in Nimmo’s screed. Kellerman was never the leader of the National Alliance, as five minutes on Google would make obvious to the thickest conspiracy theorist. The Alliance was started and long led by William Pierce. Since Pierce’s 2002 death, it has been led by Erich Gliebe.

Another thing the intrepid Nimmo conveniently forgot to include in his article is that in 2008, Kellermean pleaded guilty to stealing explosives, grenades, and other weapons from the U.S. government. He planned to use them in his private contracting business in Afghanistan.

In 2007, before evidence of his true motives had emerged, Kellerman claimed in court that he was an informant who had been tasked by the FBI with stealing the weapons as part of an effort to impress the National Alliance’s leadership. This false assertion was duly reported on numerous racist websites – including the one Nimmo linked to in order to support his article, the viciously racist and anti-Semitic Vanguard News Network (motto: “No Jews. Just Right”).

Nimmo’s article includes no mention of the eventual outcome of Kellerman’s trial. Instead, its uses Kellerman’s lie about being an FBI informant to suggest that Page’s deadly attack on the Wisconsin Sikh temple was, somehow, part of “a script produced in 2009 by the Department of Homeland Security [DHS] that characterizes military veterans as a domestic terror threat.”

Actually, it’s Nimmo’s article that’s part of a script of sorts – one hyped by right-wing propagandists who are driven to distraction by a leaked 2009 DHS report that warned presciently of a rising threat from domestic right-wing extremists. Recasting this report as an attack on white, gun-owning, God-fearing Americans is something of an obsession on the radical right – and Nimmo’s boss, Alex Jones, has led the charge.

Though he is best known as the chief propagandist behind “truther” theories claiming that the government was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Jones does not discriminate when it comes to endorsing antigovernment conspiracy theories. He thinks that the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) plans to intern “dissidents” in concentration camps and that the Mexican government is plotting to take over the Southwestern United States. Last August, he veered into white nationalist paranoia with the suggestion that DHS’ terrorism-awareness “If you see something, say something” campaign, was a part of a racist government conspiracy to portray whites as “the new Al Qaeda.”

Jones’ recent freak-out over supposed government plans to confiscate weapons was inspired by July’s failed negotiations over a proposed U.N. Arms Trade Treaty. The treaty would have regulated international weapons trade only. But antigovernment activists, taking their cues from the National Rifle Association, succeeded in scaring many Americans into thinking that the treaty was part of a plot to destroy the Second Amendment.

Predictably, Alex Jones was among them. Sputtering hysterically into the camera in a video uploaded to YouTube on July 20 – the day news broke of James Holmes’ murderous attack at an Aurora, Colo., premiere of the new Batman movie – Jones declared that “all the evidence points towards this being a staged event,” likely intended to advance the government’s campaign against Americans’ freedoms.

“We have that treaty in trouble, on a razor’s edge, and then magically this happens, and within hours, all the major media, the Democrats, they come out and say … ‘It’s time to restrict guns,’” he said. But “[t]he real telltale is that they were ready with the propaganda right on time for this, and associated with a big movie.”

Jones even knows how the government did it: Mind control.

“They have drugs, like scopolamine, that they’ve known about it for hundreds of years, known as the Devil’s Breath, you’ve heard of this, where they blow it on you. If they blow it on you it will make you for 24 hours – you have total control, you can drive a car and everything, you’re not inebriated, except that you have no free will. If they say stick your hand in a blender you do it. If they say hack your baby up with a hatchet, you do it. If they say jump off a cliff, you do it,” he said breathlessly. “So that’s what mind control is.”

According to Jones, other government mind-control operations include Sirhan Sirhan’s 1968 assassination of Robert Kennedy, Theodore Kaczynski’s “Unabomber” package bombings, the massacre at Columbine High School, and the 2011 shooting in Tucson that left six dead and Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords severely wounded.

Of Holmes’ July 20 attack, he said: “Folks, this is totally staged. This is totally staged. And even if he wasn’t mind controlled himself directly by government, which I believe the evidence is overwhelming and most people do as well, you can trust your gut on this, and history. These programs do exist and this has all the earmarks.”

And just in case it wasn’t drugs, Jones had an alternative theory. “The television itself and these messages and things [that] are programming people and it’s been proven to lead to violence,” he said.

“The point is, mind control is real,” Jones concluded. “This is perfect timing. We’d be idiots not to look at this as a staged self-inflicted wound false flag inside job.”

  • Jack Wolford

    I think that it is possible to read too much about what these Loons are saying . I think we could lose perspective .

  • Sam Molloy

    This is in Kentucky, on the east side of the Mountain Parkway about where Natural Bridge State Park is on the west side. Skinny Dippin is not legal per se but is tolerated in isolated areas, which is the whole place. It’s like Jurassic Park.There are creek beds with dry gravel and deep pools that I like, close enough to the road to not get lost. There’s no XM radio or cell signal. I haven’t got a Garmin. I would not attack any animal, and I would try to ignore it first.

  • Reynardine

    Owing to the presence of wild boar, Sam, I assume you are not talking about the Red River of the North, which would be too damn cold anyhow. Were you confronted by such creatures while skinnydipping in Palo Duro Canyon? Weel, then:

    From this valley they say you are going
    We will miss your bright eyes and sweet smile…

  • aadila


    There’s a monastery I know of where the women gather up the scorpions each morning and put them outside the gate (yes I know it’s very sexist but the men have their job to do too). Usually the scorpions return but hardly anyone gets stung. I think when we live with consciousness of respect for all beings, especially wild ones, it is possible to have a swim and not kill sentient beings (or be killed by them).

    Of course, if a wild boar started charging me in my birthday suit I suppose I would be the first to cower behind you, so perhaps you have a point.

  • Sam Molloy

    CoralSea, there is a culture of gun violence in Chicago. And Oakland. And Camden. If there is a common thread, it’s places that have tried so hard to outlaw them that only criminals have them. Aldia has a point about the culture of violence self perpetuating and feeding off itself. I don’t think about guns a lot, but I know enough to discuss them here. iIt’s just natural to me to have them around.

  • CoralSea

    Sam — I’m…not supposed to have a wing on a Toyota Corolla? But — if I have a wing (and some flames) on my Honda Civic, that’s okay?

    The whole gun thing is difficult. I think that I have written before, we all grew up with guns in my town because it was in the country and also just about everyone’s father had been in WWII. All of the kids knew that you didn’t mess around with them and aim them at other kids, let alone pull the trigger. My sister and her family live in Alaska and they HAVE to have guns. Not only do they hunt (that is their source of meat, which is healthier than the feedlot, antibiotic stuff we get down here), but they live in a place that is teeming with bears, moose, and wolves. My brother-in-law had to kill a bear that had ripped the back door off their house (cabin, really — they built it themselves although they used mostly wood that was milled at the local mill) and was coming into the house (it was a rogue bear that had been roaming around their area).

    That said, it is unfortunate that so many idiots are drawn to guns. I live in the Chicago area, and we have a nightly “body count” here from gun violence. Most of the people shot just happened to be there; they weren’t the targets. It’s a shame that the gang banger are such god-awful shots, because the whole situation is really, really bad right now. Personally, I don’t see why any civilian should own an automatic weapon, nor do I think that having more people with more guns, blasting away at criminals, helps all that much. I don’t want to get hit with a “nice guy’s” bullet any more than I want to get hit by a gang banger’s bullet.

    On that note, when the shooting starts, it can be difficult sometimes to know who the bad guy is — which is another reason why having MORE parties entering the fray isn’t a good idea. Although I don’t get to see it very often, the series “Flashpoint,” which is about a SWAT team, has always interested me because in many of the episodes, the SWAT team folks have to figure out what is really happening in a situation and who is — and isn’t — the bad guy, because they are often mobilized to these incidents with very little reliable intel. It’s one thing if you know that a family member is under seige and can go to their defense, but a neighbor? One of mine went nuts last fall and threatened a garbage truck driver with a gun because he refused to pick up the neighbor’s bag of fall leaves (because the leaf and lawn waste collection truck had already gone by).

  • Aron


    You do realize that the President has an ‘F’ from the Brady Campaign, right? And that no politician would actually attempt to seize ALL firearms?

    There is no legal basis for it. Regardless of what Alex Jones and Wayne LaPierre say.

  • Sam Molloy

    Aaida, gun shows are real Twilight Zone to me, too. Thee SPLC does a good job of prosecuting murderers after the crime. The surveillance cameras in England take real good pictures of mayhem in the streets while shop owners cower and police avoid the area. I don’t intend to be a victim if I can help it, or let you be one if I see it. Besides, I like to go skinny dipping in Red River Gorge, and coyotes and wild boar are two of several things I like to have a halfway plan about while I am enjoying the day.

  • aadila

    Sam you know I’ve been to gun shows. I feel I cannot understand anything so horrible unless I go there myself. The ambience made me physically ill. I saw all sorts of things going on that were awful. There were items for sale like switchblades and brass knuckles, which I understand to be illegal. There were silencers for sale, which I thought was illegal. And there were people buying guns who reeked of pot, which is prohibited by the gun purchase declaration — i.e., it’s a pretty useless document. I saw lots of white supremacist, Nazi, and racist literature and memorabilia. I saw a lot of people engaging in a very unwholesome activity whose karma is steeped in violence and death. I would like to close the whole thing down, to be honest with you. But I also know that there will be no end to violence until we quiet the violence in our hearts. I hope you put aside your guns one day, Sam Molloy. I hope you see that what you defend with violence has no lasting reality.

  • Sam Molloy

    Coralsea, I like you too and applaud your choices in defensive tools. Shooting is fun, but me and the NRA stress training. A Glock has such a light trigger it should not be a first gun for anybody. Also, painting a .223 varmint rifle black and putting a metal stock on it is childish, like putting a wing on a Toyota Corrolla.

  • CoralSea

    Reynardine —

    Great toad story! I have a “house toad” (though a much smaller American Woodland Toad), who hangs around the garden area by my front door.

    I also have a lot of the traditional hallucinogenic plants in my yard because they are also plants common to English cottage gardens. I keep them in the back yard or need the house in front so some toddler passing in a stroller on the sidewalk won’t grab leaves or flowers that could hurt him or her.

    Sam — you didn’t answer my question. Just wondering what your argument would be.

  • Sam Molloy

    Aadia, the Gun Show Loophole is real, in that if a person is not a dealer, no Instant Background Check required. It is simply a sale between two private individuals. The show aspect is irrelevent except that’s where the crazies go to get a better selection. If the check were required, as I suggested, all transactions would have to visit a dealer and pay a small fee. The seller would keep the paper copy to cover his a** if the buyer did something crazy with it.

  • Reynardine

    On record? Sam, watch where you get those records. That one was a pirated copy of a copy of a copy, and it got garbled a few downloads ago.

  • aadila

    But Sam, what about the Gun Show Loop Hole?

  • Sam Molloy

    Aaron, the Brady campaign, Mayor Bloomberg, and Barack Obama are on record as saying they want to ban private ownership of guns. Every country that has instituted registration and promised not to confiscate them has ended up doing just that. Every one of those countries still has criminals with guns and the law abiding people are now defenseless. Every upper government official in those countries of course is well protected, with either a gun or a bodyguard. They could not care less what happens to the average person. In this country, every purchase from a dealer now goes through a disappearing Instant Background Check. These could be improved to include some medical records now deemed private and expanded to be required for all transfers, even within a family, without registration. Currently both sides are too distrustful of the other to allow that to happen. Possibly a Republican administration will be able to get that accomplished.

  • Reynardine

    Coral Sea, where I lived most of my life in Dade County, we had these toads, the females of which got as big as half-grown cats. If you had Bufo marinus, you didn’t need anything else. People would go out and catch them, and on a hot, steamy night you didn’t even have to take the hot shower. You tucked Madame Crapaud under your armpit, got comfortable, and waited. Sometimes nothing happened, because a toad of that size and virulence didn’t have much to get upset about. In the cases of thin-skinned young women who had recently shaved under their arms, you’d hear about the odd admission to Jackson with marinobufotenin poisoning. Some people reputedly had successful trips. I never tried it on, though for a while I had a two-and-a-half pounder named Cethagua, but when she ate her mate, I let her go in the Montgomery Drive Canal.

  • CoralSea

    Aron —

    You are right — I think the “Certified Pre-Owned World Order” sounds a lot better. You know, like it’s been well maintained–regular oil changes and all of that. It just sound scary enough for the guys like Jones, though.

  • CoralSea

    Sam —

    Not to give you a hard time — because I do like you and also, I am not against guns completely (although I believe that people who own them need to be well-trained and responsible and to keep them away from those who might think it would be a lark to “play” with them — thought most gun owners would agree with), but I DO have to ask a rather wicked question:

    When “guns rights” advocates argue against “excessive gun control,” they frequently say, “If you want to kill someone, you can beat them to death with a baseball bat/stab them with a knife/etc.”

    Since there are so many other weapons available — like, basically anything you can throw, swing, or cut with, not to mention bows and arrows, with bows that are strong enough to be used to hunt bears — then WHY is it so necessary for people to own guns?

    I know — this was a rude question, but really. I still think that my reproduction Viking sword, wielded by me, will work just fine if someone decided to break into my house — and if I miss, I won’t have to worry about a bullet from (my) wildly shot hand gun traveling through a wall and killing a passer by.

  • Aron


    It’s a Certified Pre-Owned Order. That way we get a better warranty.

  • Aron


    Please provide us with tangible evidence that people are trying to take your guns. Even if they wanted to do so, they would be unable, due to the Grandfather Clause.

    If the guns were legal at one point, they will always be legal.

    That’s why it is still legal to trade in transferable automatic weapons and destructive devices. When they were purchased or originally manufactured, they were legal. As such, they are legal now.

  • CoralSea

    Reynardine —

    The contents of “Flying Ointment” depends on whose book of recipes you are looking at. Toad based are fine; scopalomine is the active ingredient in the one I was thinking of (I looked it up after posting. It’s a very old book).

    Also, people have been flapping their gums about the “New World Order” for rather a long time now (several decades at least — maybe longer).

    At this point, shouldn’t it be called the “Shabby, Scuffed, Worn World Order?” I wouldn’t call it the “Old World Order,” but it isn’t all that “New,” now, is it? And since we aren’t in chains or UN/ FEMA camps, it hasn’t been a very effective world order. “Used World Order,” or “Pre-Driven World Order” is perhaps what I am thinking it should be at this point.

    Somebody had to say it.

  • aadila

    Siddharta Gautama died (knowingly) of food poisoning but did not preach against it. He did have some words against violence, though…

    I would like to bury all the world’s guns except for one. Let Sam Molloy keep his, because he is responsible and he wouldn’t give it up without a ruckus…

    …but let’s close the Gun Show Loop Hole first, so he can’t just sell it to the first irresponsible person who comes along with a wad of cash.

  • Sam Molloy

    Correction, 300,000 hospitalizations and 5,00 deaths. More than guns, anyway. I listen to NPR at work but there’s a lot of ambient noise.

  • Sam Molloy

    These people are delusional. But there are people spinning gun incidents as more prevalent than they are. 300,000 people die of food poisoning every year in America. The NRA is a reasonable organization that knows that taking guns away from responsible citizens is not the answer.

  • Reynardine

    No, the “flying drug” was bufotenin, which you could get simply by taking a steam bath to open your pores, and then tucking an irate toad under your armpit.

  • CoralSea

    As for “mind control,” I don’t think the government would have a chance with these guys; you have to have a mind in order for someone to control it, and these guys are already taking their marching orders from Planet Zargon or somewhere.

    I have to say, though, I enjoyed the phrase, “a staged self inflicted wound false flag inside job.” Try saying THAT three times fast.

  • CoralSea

    Jeronimus — Scopalomine is real. The Nazis used it in World War II because it lowers inhabitions and increases suggestability, which means that it could be used as a “truth serum.” It only worked some of the time, though.

    Scopalomine also used to be one of the main ingredients in witches’ “Flying Ointment” during the middle ages and Renaissance. Either it, or some other ingredient (although I think it was the Scopalomine) had hallucinogenic properties in the right doses — hence the idea of “flying” (actually, the were inducing a hallucinagenic state). It is a natural substance, but I don’t know what it is derived from.

    The Nazis injected it, but I know that it CAN be absorbed dermally (through the skin). I very much doubt that blowing it in someone’s face would put them under your control (or anyone’s control — sorry, not implying that YOU want to blow it in anyone’s face). Also, any dose that would last 24 hours would have to be very powerful, so I don’t think you would be wandering around acting normal, but then chopping up babies on command. Sheeesh! These guys are coo-coo bananas!

    In regard to “mind control,” the only ones that I believe are doing any sort of an effective job at that are some of the fringe Christian groups (not just regular Christians), who have their kids so terrorized and afraid that I could see them being successfully compelled to do something unfortunate.

  • Gregory

    Jeronimus, how is that white revolution coming along?

    LMAO. Loser.

  • Kiwiwriter

    Reynardine, if I hadn’t seen “The Guns of Navarone,” I would never have even heard of “scopalamine,” and I suspect that’s where Alex Jones saw it, too.

    He posits all these crazy conspiracy theories, but he seems to be alive, walking, broadcasting, selling DVDs, and pocketing the US Federal Reserve Notes and Paypal money for his drivel…you’d think that the omnipotent Zionist Occupation Government would have disposed of him by now.

    Yeah, one would think that we’d read in the paper one morning that Alex Jones was found dead, stuffed in a garbage can with a knife in his back, his wallet and contents strewn around the alley, the victim of an apparent mugging or robbery, how sad, how cruel, how tragic, his town is certainly a violent city, but….

    He’s alive, kicking, and screaming. And the only thing he really seems to have to deal with is ridicule. Funny how that’s happening.

    I often wonder if people like Alex Jones actually believe the garbage they spout, or if they’re just cynical opportunists, delivering drivel on the airwaves to gain attention and sell their product. I’m sure that’s the case with televangelists and fake psychics, but with Alex…I think he believes a good chunk of what he says.

    The real problem is…a lot of people believe what he says.

  • Reynardine

    There is such a drug as scopalomine, at one time administered to women in childbirth. I doubt it’s any good for creating Manchurian Candidates.

  • aadila

    Jeronimus, sure scopolamine is real.

    It’s called being a Republican. Why do you think they’re so red in the face and angry?

    They have no free will.

  • Jeronimus

    So is scopolamine real? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • adamhill

    Here’s another one for Kurt Nimmo and Alex Jones to commence foaming at the mouth over:

    The amazing thing about these false flag operations is the government’s ability to keep the conspiracies completely under wraps, despite the massive number of participants necessary to carry them out.

  • adamhill

    Yes,and Alex Jones himself is being controlled by the government with drugs and laser beams and subcortical implants to make anti-government extremists look like morons.

    Whether these guys are charlatans or clinically paranoid is an open question. In either case, “sputtering hysterically” perfectly describes their signature behavior.