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Oath Keepers to Form ‘Civilization Preservation’ Teams in Anticipation of Societal Collapse

By Ryan Lenz on October 2, 2013 - 4:55 pm, Posted in Militias, New World Order

The Oath Keepers are going operational.

An article posted to the group’s website Tuesday announced the formation of “Civilization Preservation” units, basely loosely on the organization of U.S. Special Forces teams, to provide “community security and support during crisis” – but also “to assist in forming and training town and county militias.”

These comically named 12-person teams would consist of two communications experts, two medics, two combat engineers, two weapons experts, two operations leaders, a commander and his assistant – positions that would be filled by the law enforcement officers and former military personnel who comprise the Oath Keepers. The Oath Keepers imagines that these units would be  scattered across the country, working with other veterans organizations such as the VFW, American Legion and Marine Corps League, to lead communities “in resistance to oppressive regimes.”

“They can fight, of course,” the e-mail says. “But they are most dangerous as a force-multiplier by helping an entire community to fight.”

It’s the first time the Oath Keepers, part of the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, has moved in the direction of actually establishing any sort of militia or fighting force of its own. While the group’s rallies are sure to bring a fair share of wild conspiracy theories and weapons, Oath founder Stewart Rhodes has heretofore dismissed criticisms of the group by saying the fears that are central to the group’s very identity – all centered around the idea that some sort of tyrannical “New World Order” is looming – are merely hypothetical worries.

With the formation of these units, it seems, Rhodes and his 30,000-plus Oath Keepers have dumped the theoretical in favor of practical preparation for some post-apocalyptic world when the fabric of American civilization begins to fray. The effort also seems to represent a more radical turn for the group.

Signs of the radicalization appeared earlier this year during the debate over gun control following several mass shootings. As the White House worked to enact new gun restrictions, the Oath Keepers responded to the “disarmament freaks” by announcing rallies at the nation’s state houses to warn lawmakers that they would be “held accountable if they choose to dishonor” their oath to the Constitution. Even before that, in December, Rhodes drafted a manifesto entitled “My Personal Pledge of Resistance Against Any Attempt to Disarm Us by Means of an ‘Assault Weapons Ban.’”

“It is the height of Orwellian perversion of language and logic to say that disarming you of the most effective arms for combat that you still have is somehow not really disarming you, because you still have hunting rifles and shotguns,” Rhodes wrote. “And you can bet that if you let them take away your military semi-autos, next on their list will be bolt action rifles, which they will call ‘sniper rifles’ (and by God, that is certainly what they are good for!).”

But that pales in comparison to what Rhodes has now endorsed.

“We will … be force multipliers to help prepare communities so they can preserve civilization by providing their own security, disaster relief, infrastructure preservation, emergency communications, strategic food reserve, and medical care,” the article continued.

What seems lost on the Oath Keepers, however, is that all of this preparation is already in place. It’s called the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Yes, the same FEMA that in the fevered imaginations of the Patriot movement’s most zealous followers is busily building concentration camps for political dissidents like Rhodes and his Oath Keepers.

  • MRJ

    @Wet_Marine

    What would you say to the above LEO, or two beautiful girls, of four, in his friend’s family, that other racist Marine/local Viet Nam Marine veteran (two tours: Khe Sahn in 64/5 and later Range Instructor at Parris Island) who were raped by “good, “white” boys” in their school at parties: one cold cocked out in the woods by some animal at a late night party, the other in someone’s home because she got drunk, was sleeping/passed out, and the eldest brother of her best friend sneaked into that room and raped her (corresponding cysts and complications afterwards because of trauma because the pig didn’t remove her tampon), and they were too afraid to report it because they already had seen what “happened” (stalking, harassment, threats, collusion and conspiracy by local Police to defame, ignore the victim, etc., forcing her to leave the area) to another girl in their school who had the “audacity” to report that she had been raped to local Police in their “good” town.
    Last I checked, there was no “Statute Of Limitations” on Rape in this State.
    I even know of others who protected her at parties from that animal, later, if she started getting drunk.

    What would you say to these local Police and Marines (yes there IS an “Oath Keeper” faction here) who insult, slander, ignore, and look the other way and allow rape?

    There’s a REAL savage or two freely walking the streets in this/these towns, and people who stand against spousal and child abuse, stand against violent rape, and defend minorities are being shot at and stalked “cuz he aint frum here!”.

    But… this rapist’s daddy was a local Klukker (along with the local realtor right there in the downtown of that town who’s wife and daughter left him because of his Klan ties (let alone another realtor down the street who was/is one of the biggest Cocaine dealers in the area, previously repeatedly fired from jobs for theft from tills and patrons to support his habit/dealing, who’s extended family have been stalking me for years in local businesses), Town Council members, members of the local Arts Council, etc..), and it could be too dangerous for her, here, to report him.

    An aside:
    Has anyone got any idea what it’s like to see your girlfriend get off of the phone after calling her girlfriend’s house, only to have him answer, and see her shaking hands/fists and tears, and hear her say: “I Hate Him! I Hate Him! I Hate Him!”?
    Has anyone got any idea what it’s like to have to sit in a public room with the guy who raped your girlfriend before you knew her because all of the locals would back him up if you confronted him because abuse of women, and even Rape, is ignored (condoned through inaction: “Boys will be boys and she shouldn’t have gotten drunk and passed out she was just asking for it the slut she wanted it…” by the local cops and the guy’s friends) by locals?

    Want “Sharia”?
    Want to see “out of control gubbermint”?
    Want to see deprivation of Constitutional Rights?
    Look to a small group of towns along a lakeshore in the United States of America where “Christ is King”, there are no “mooslims”, no “Creeping Sharia”, and self labeled “patriots” can stalk and abuse/harass women and minorities.

    Oh… but as recently posted by an “oath keeper”, to reiterate: “We cannot be shamed.”

    The label here for the extreme kind of depravity using a religious moral stance for abuse of women is the same… they just don’t use an Arabic word: they call it “God’s Natural Law” or “The Truth!”.
    Or: “Take America Back!”

    If local Law Enforcement wants the “good white boy”‘s family name, and the last name of the family who’s daughters were raped, I’ll be happy to provide them… but that might just involve an admission of guilt by locals for stalking me, have their extended “family” Mob me out of my trade using racist hate speech and threats (a local Union), and getting their family members and friends to terrorize me and stalk me… right?

    I’ll also polygraph, etc..

    Jim, Kay, or any reading this who know who these people are: your daughters, Melissa, and Sarah, were both raped by the “good country boys” here.
    Not the “Jooz”, or the “ni**ers”, or the “b**ners”, or the “city people” as you call them in your racist, “patriotic” rants about the “NWO/ZOG/JOG Gubbermint Cunhspeeruhsee”: but by your fellow “white christians” and neighbors.

    An aside: if every LEO in this area, or drug/addiction “counselors” (people in State and Federally funded organizations) would turn in family members and friends who were using/growing/dealing “illegally”, hitting them hard for their user friends and dealers/growers names, instead of protecting them (I, personally, know of at least four LEOs who are doing this here: protecting family or friends engaged in dealing/growing/use) there would probably be almost no drug problem here: only the “real” criminals would have drugs… and all of the BS forwarded at me would end.
    BTW: they are ALL “white”, so it also blows apart any of the stereotypes by some of these locals and Police that the main drug problem in this area is fueled by “illegals” or “minorities”.

  • MRJ

    @ Wet_Marine,

    What would you say to Marines in this area (one a Local Deputy Sheriff, who really knows nothing about the person their racist buddies (A local Klan organizer… not to mention the big guy in the local store who’s extended family are the biggest Cocaine dealers in the area) started them stalking, and they will not admit they are wrong in any way… although it can be proven through recordings that they lie) who have had their Law Enforcement underlings stalking and harassing minorities, and even a local murder victim’s son?
    Is this true: “We will not be shamed”?
    If they are defending Klansmen, drug dealers/users, child and wife abusers, stalkers, and people stockpiling and owning illegal automatic weapons and pistols (some in their own families or extended families) from prosecution for the deranged stalking, lies, and terror harassment of minorities in their townships: Is that “Upholding the Constitution”, and your/their “Oath”?

    What would you say to them?

    Some of us seriously admire the Stated Intent and Purpose, Motto, and the history of the USMC.
    Some of us even give to groups like DAV (and the American Air Museum in Britian) if we have had any extra money lying around previously, and truly respect Veterans for their service, and have, also, literally cried at the Wall both times there.
    An aside: I defy anyone to go there and not be moved.
    I lived there (MD/DC) during the Dedication, and it was awe inspiring to watch.
    Some of us have spent serious time at the Walter Reed Guest House (two friends worked the desk in the basement) talking with Vets, and their families, and doing little things like buying their kids pizza from Dominoes or other when they stated that the kids were getting kind of tired of the mac-n-cheese on the hotplate in their room, had a beer with them, taken them out to see DC, brought them books and movies, and even going out for a while with a girl from Lorraine, Ohio who was in the vet-tech school there (until stationed in Japan), etc..
    Yeah… I know… WRAMC is mostly Doggies… but they’re Veterans also.

    Sometimes, on really cold nights, some friends and I would go and pick up a homeless, legless Vet they knew who hung around Dupont Circle and give him a warm place to stay in Silver Spring until the weather broke.

    I have even worn the hat for thirty one years: I couldn’t enlist due to a separated shoulder in wrestling in HS, and a pulverized wrist working in carpentry when I was 19.
    I’ve never worn any other hat.
    I’m now 47.
    No, I have also never lied in any way about enlistment to anyone, anywhere, ever.

    An aside:
    There go the accusations by the gibbering/infantile local Klukker and his insane/mentally diseased wife about “commie”, “pinko”, “hates Amurika”, etc. to the locals….

    I’m also way, way, sub-MOA: and is probably the reason that these local pederasts, pedophiles, wife abusers, drug dealers and Klukkers don’t show their faces, and only empty their automatic weapons and pistols around my home at night (and then hop in their trucks or on their quads and go roaring off)… well… other than to have their “patriot” (guy across the street who was stalking lesbians in a local church (an Air Force Vet and the “Patriot at Large” of the local TP), and his Felony Cocaine Dealing convicted/charged pot dealing son down the street) friends file false police reports and try to deprive me, individually and personally, of something that I enjoy, am good at, and is a Constitutional Right that these groups theoretically uphold.

    To me, it just proves, again, that they’re absolute cowards… would you defend my right not to be terrorized using AK style weapons and high capacity pistols at all hours of the night by the friends and family of local “Oath Keepers” or “patriots”?

    It may not make some on this page happy with me either for saying these things (I do know that some here own firearms also, and, as well, probably support Veteran’s causes)… but… I also know that some of these Marines, Veterans, and LEOs in this area, as well as a local drooling, ignorant racist or three, read these posts.

    Again: Is that “Upholding the Constitution”, and your/their “Oath”?
    Should racist Marines be allowed to hold positions of authority, using their service to gain some form of credibility, and then abuse their Service to this Country and position in Law Enforcement to Deprive Of Rights Under Color Of Law at the instigation of the totally deranged who moved here after being run out of another town for organizing Klan groups in a High School?

    What would you say to them/him?
    Would you recommend to them to turn in their Ku Klux Klan buddy, or to step down from Law Enforcement as he has proven beyond reasonable doubt that his racist stereotypes/perceptions have seriously affected his judgement and ability to uphold the Constitutional Laws of the United States?
    Or do you think that lying under Oath, or on recorders during “investigations” to protect Ku Klux Klansmen is acceptable if “it’s just a (insert any racist slur)”?

    What, Sir, would you do?

  • MRJ

    @ Wet_Marine,

    What would you say to a local “militia”/hate group member who has stated that he’s a Medal Recipient (although my fairly realistic search of his name using the DoD listings for recipients, Department of Navy (Medal Recipients for Swiftboats and Brown Water Navy), Veterans who “returned their medals in protest” (easy “out” for liars: I know two in this area alone who claim the Award and can in no way whatsoever validate their statements), my books on the subject, etc…. found absolutely no mention of him/them anywhere) just to get “in” with the local “Militias” and Hate groups, and make “friends”?

    Due to recent “Stolen Valor” legislation this makes them Felons, but you don’t see them getting turned in by their “militia” buddies and other possible “Oath Keepers” who live in the area: some of whom are Veteran Marines.
    One a “Wet” Marine like yourself, for his landing by Amphtrac, and his tours at Khe Sahn in 64/5.
    Knowing about what it takes to even be considered for this award, usually posthumously, it makes myself, personally, who has never served, feel ill/outraged that someone would use the deaths of 500,000+ others to get friends, and completely undeserved reverence from people that don’t know any better.

    What would you say to them, or their toadies?

  • MRJ

    @ Wet_Marine,

    What would you say to a former Marine (or three in this area alone) who espouse/defend racism and racists, engage in stalking and harassment of minorities using SLAPP litigation, forward hate speech or fabrications as fact, Conspire to Deprive of Rights of individuals in an area/township due to Color of Law violations, have admitted to disgust and complete disapproval of Affirmative Action for women in a Police force, have family members involved in the local drug trade/use and look the other way, have family and friends in local hate groups and are friends with Klansmen, etc., etc., etc….?

  • Gregory

    Larry’s claim that the Oakies will do nothing more than disobey orders is contradicted by the organization “going operational” with the teams that are the topic of this thread. Doing something is the new doing nothing, I guess.

    To reiterate the point, these teams are modeled after Special Forces units given the primary mission of training guerillas in occupied or hostile territories. Unless the Oakies are operating outside the borders of the US, this is cause to keep an eye on them.

    On the other hand, we should not overestimate the influence of this group. I think they have common characteristics with Ron Paul enthusiasts in that their virtual presence is larger than their real world presence. Like Paultroons, they may not be on a first name basis with reality and are fond of conspiracies, old and new. I also think it is a safe bet that the DoD and DoJ will not look favourably on its members who dally in this steaming pile of nonsense.

    Finally, the Oakies who visit should not assume that they are the only veterans who contribute to this site.

  • aadila

    “Violence is not merely killing another. It is violence when we use a sharp word, when we make a gesture to brush away a person, when we obey because there is fear. So violence isn’t merely organized butchery in the name of God, in the name of society or country. Violence is much more subtle, much deeper, and we are inquiring into the very depths of violence. When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you know why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind. ”
    J. Krishnamurti

  • aadila

    And when that fails, using violence to prevent violence will be justified in your view, because you are trapped in a narrow, warlike notion of the world where people just get “forced” into violence as an unfortunate, undesirable last resort. That it’s just an inevitable thing, and will always be an inevitable thing, so you are drawing the line in the sand and saying here and no further.

    Well, we all must start somewhere, I suppose. Let me know how it works out for you.

    If you do decide one day there is a power which goes beyond killing other people to defend whatever it is you think you are defending, beyond this win or lose, do or die, us or them death cult of dismal cynicism about the human condition, then perhaps one day we will have something to discuss. No one can make this choice for you.

    As it stands, you have cut yourself off from any possibility there could be any other way at all, and so there is nothing more to discuss.

  • Larry

    Who said anything about brining guns to a protest? Who said anything about protest at all? Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth and using these lame strawman arguments?

    My comments about OK using civil disobedience was VERY specific. If active duty military or LEOs are ordered to violate the rights of the people, they are to disobey. They are to stand down. Do NOTHING.

    You have repeatedly twisted this into accusations of OKs desire to use violence. The entire point of Oath Keepers is to PREVENT violence.

    The “Molon Labe” reference has nothing to do with our active duty members. The government GAVE them the guns – duh! Our goal is to reach enough active duty military and LEOs so that citizens will never NEED to defend their gun rights with force, because no one will be coming to take them. Because they disobeyed.

  • aadila

    Larry, what this comes down to is really very simple: if you decide there might be a way to exercise power beyond this last resort of violence, then we may have something to talk about. But if you decide there is no power beyond violence, no greater power than this, then you have closed yourself off from the idea that real power exists anywhere but the sphere of violence, and we have nothing to talk about because you have cut yourself off from any discussion that does not eventually end in violence.

  • aadila

    Larry,

    If that is the case, then you do not understand civil disobedience at all. You cannot bring weapons to a protest just in case the police is ready to crack your head open with a baton, because by doing so you legitimize the use of force.

    What you fail to understand as well, is that our way takes much more courage than your way, and while our way is difficult, it can achieve success, but your way will never succeed.

  • Larry

    @aadila

    ““Oath Keepers’ mission is based on non-violent civil disobedience.”

    Well, no, not really.

    When you say Molon Labe to the American people and compare yourselves to the Spartans at Thermopylae, that is actually a veiled threat to use weapons and undeniably a provocation.”
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    It is not veiled at all. I have absolutely no qualms with the DEFENSIVE use of force to defend life, liberty, or property against aggressors. The desire of many politicians to disarm the public is real. It is NOT just a paranoid delusion.

    I stand by my assertion that Oath Keepers is based on non-violent civil disobedience. Do you deny that our official statements say that we will STAND DOWN and disobey rather than obey unconstitutional orders? Can you show me where any official oath keepers statement says ANYTHING about using violence if those orders are given.

    You won’t find it, because it doesn’t exist.

  • Larry

    @aadila

    “By the way, Larry, not everyone in America and their families gets health benefits from the Veterans Administration. Not to mention whatever is spent on the Affordable Care Act is peanuts compared to the budget for the military (and amortization of payments for veterans of the Vietnam war still on the budget considered “welfare”, i.e. social spending, following the reforms of Richard Nixon). If you want to declare war on something why not declare war on the bloated military budget? It seems you are awfully happy to suck the government teat yourselves but don’t want to let anybody else get a chance.”
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    Yet another strawman. Two, actually.

    I have health insurance through my employer. Not all veterans get care from the VA either. Only those with service-connected disabilities do. (There might be care available based on financial need, but I don’t know for sure).

    Your second strawman is your assumption that I favor a bloated military budget. (You do remember me telling you that I’m a Libertarian, right?) I not only strongly oppose our military interventionism overseas, but I also agree with many of our founders who said that “standing armies are a threat to peace.”

    I believe that the intention of our founders was to have a citizen militia as our primary defense against foreign aggression. Translated into modern terms, I favor something similar to what Switzerland has. Of course, REAL neutrality – something else our founders encouraged – is an essential part of a proper national defense. Our policies of meddling and pissing off other countries is bad, mmmkay.

    I should also add that I have not “declared war” on anything. The “War on Whatever” is a decidedly statist idea, and I reject them all, tyvm.

  • aadila

    By the way, Larry, not everyone in America and their families gets health benefits from the Veterans Administration. Not to mention whatever is spent on the Affordable Care Act is peanuts compared to the budget for the military (and amortization of payments for veterans of the Vietnam war still on the budget considered “welfare”, i.e. social spending, following the reforms of Richard Nixon). If you want to declare war on something why not declare war on the bloated military budget? It seems you are awfully happy to suck the government teat yourselves but don’t want to let anybody else get a chance.

  • aadila

    “Oath Keepers’ mission is based on non-violent civil disobedience.”

    Well, no, not really.

    When you say Molon Labe to the American people and compare yourselves to the Spartans at Thermopylae, that is actually a veiled threat to use weapons and undeniably a provocation.

  • aadila

    “This bill (Affordable Care Act) rocks the principles of liberty and constitutional government to the core. It changes fundamental foundations; it repudiates historic values. The same flag may fly on our flagpoles, the same monuments may grace our landscape, and the same National Anthem may be sung during our public ceremonies, but it is not the same America. For all intents and purposes, our nation now more resembles the socialist countries of the old communist East Bloc than it does the constitutional republic of the old land of the free.”

    Hmm…that came straight from the Oath Keepers. Does calling the United States a communist country sound a like a vote of confidence in our legislature? It’s a health insurance law for crying out loud, not the end of America. What a bunch of crybabies.

  • aadila

    Larry,

    Maybe it was the line of thinking that the Democrats won an election, so therefore, the country has gone to hell in a handbasket and can no longer be considered reliable, so let’s all bring our bug out bags and head for the hills.

    Try as you might to explain it away, the Oath Keepers springing up like a noxous toadstool just after Obama’s election (twice) is clearly more than coincidence. Not to mention the grassroots hate speech spawned by your website right next to the donate button.

    In response to that angry little dud you just wrote, I never said Oath Keepers “discourages voting”; I pointed out that when you compare Obama to Julius Caesar on the front page of your website, it is a pretty cynical rejection of democracy.

    Can you deny it?

  • Larry

    @aadila

    “To expect a group of disgruntled military and police, who have never been particularly well known for respecting civil rights in America (in fact the 2nd Amd. is the only Constitutional clause that seems to be of concern to any of you) to understand this vital point is rather hopeless. But, though you be of limited understanding, and deeply misguided, I will, never the less attempt to elucidate the meaning of this political truth.”
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    I posted Stewart Rhodes’ paper from during the Bush years critiquing the concept of “Enemy Combatant Status,” which concerns the 4th and 5th amendments, yet you still make these assertions based on YOUR assumption of what Oath Keepers must be like, since they are “right wing.” We are deeply concerned with the entire Bill of Rights.

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    Civil disobedience is a powerful tool of social change. Our own history in America is filled with examples, and elsewhere, such as in India, when Ghandi mobilized his people against the oppressive and tyrannical rule of the British, non-violence was employed against violence. And non-violence won. You might enjoy your partisan wargames, but you stand no chance against the federal government. And rightly so. The government is, despite its faults, our best defense against the tyranny of radical insurrectionists and right wing hate mongers.
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    Oath Keepers’ mission is based on non-violent civil disobedience. If / when we are given unconstitutional orders, we do NOT say we should turn our guns on our leaders or anyone else. We are to STAND DOWN and DO NOTHING. To simply disobey. If the politicians want to commit atrocities, they’ll have to do it themselves because our troops will not “just obey orders.”

  • Larry

    @aadila

    “Unfortunately this disingenuous and cynical reply speaks loudly to the corruption of your ideologies and political aims. No one is questioning the right of the Oath Keepers to form a group of like-minded people. And frankly, sir, you people are no ACORN. Whereas ACORN was a community organization that sought to encourage people to vote, a legitimate and noble exercise of political rights, the Oath Keepers seek to defame and libel the government, and to fan the flames of violent opposition to the rule of law, out of cynical rejection of the effectiveness of the vote. You fan fear in America, and fear is the tool of the tyrant.”
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    Where did you get the idea that Oath Keepers discourages voting??? Please provide some proof of this assertion from anyone officially representing Oath Keepers. (Anonymous postings in internet comments do not count).

    As for fanning fear… SPLC is nothing BUT fanning fear. This entire “Hatewatch Blog” is nothing but statist / leftist fear pr0n. “Oh noes! The evil RWNJs are gonna GET us!!!”

  • aadila

    Apologies for the very long comment.

    I get carried away.

    Even so, I hope someone someone bothers to read it, at least to skim it. Twitter does little for the dying art of the polemic.

  • Aron

    Jill Stein was kept out of the news? No she wasn’t. She was all over the Boston newspapers. Hell, I know her and even she would disagree with you.

  • aadila

    Wet Marine,

    So, because ACORN, a group the right wing unfairly despises and uses as its whipping boy, was a “community organizer”, you feel that calling the Oath Keepers a “community organizer” is a justifiable defense against the complaints which have been brought against you here.

    Unfortunately this disingenuous and cynical reply speaks loudly to the corruption of your ideologies and political aims. No one is questioning the right of the Oath Keepers to form a group of like-minded people. And frankly, sir, you people are no ACORN. Whereas ACORN was a community organization that sought to encourage people to vote, a legitimate and noble exercise of political rights, the Oath Keepers seek to defame and libel the government, and to fan the flames of violent opposition to the rule of law, out of cynical rejection of the effectiveness of the vote. You fan fear in America, and fear is the tool of the tyrant.

    In fact you may call yourselves “community organizers”, but you are the antithesis of what it means to organize the community to bring about positive and effective change in government through the power of the vote. You call yourselves a community, but your community is comprised of angry, violent men.

    There are other means available to you to petition the government for redress of grievances, and to ensure the exercise of your Constitutional liberties and political rights through peaceful assembly and cogent speech, such as you have done here. It is this and this alone which we respect. Your grassroots violence, hate, and rejection of America do not impress us, beyond reflecting the deeply misguided politics of Stewart Rhodes.

    In fact, I hope you will remain on this forum and continue to engage with these issues in exercise of your right of free speech. You may not find many sympathetic people here for your views, but if you can present them cogently, as you have done, you will at least receive the courtesy of a reply.

    And, if you are sincere about civil rights, you might consider that there are people here who have spent their entire lives defending them, at risk to their lives, their families, and their livelihoods — amid constant hostility from the right wing, and so-called “pro law enforcement” individuals, as outlined in my comments above.

    If you stick around long enough, you might learn something from the experience we have had in defense of civil liberties and social justice. There is one paramount, supreme rule that must be respected if you wish to have any success at all as political activists — you must shun violence, talk of violence, or hints of violence in any form. Otherwise you will legitimize every violent action against you, every injustice, and every act of tyranny.

    To expect a group of disgruntled military and police, who have never been particularly well known for respecting civil rights in America (in fact the 2nd Amd. is the only Constitutional clause that seems to be of concern to any of you) to understand this vital point is rather hopeless. But, though you be of limited understanding, and deeply misguided, I will, never the less attempt to elucidate the meaning of this political truth.

    Civil disobedience is a powerful tool of social change. Our own history in America is filled with examples, and elsewhere, such as in India, when Ghandi mobilized his people against the oppressive and tyrannical rule of the British, non-violence was employed against violence. And non-violence won. You might enjoy your partisan wargames, but you stand no chance against the federal government. And rightly so. The government is, despite its faults, our best defense against the tyranny of radical insurrectionists and right wing hate mongers.

    The right wing has spent so much time and political energy loathing us for standing up for civil rights for so many years, that I am frankly agog that your organization thinks it will succeed in hijacking the battle torn banner of civil liberties with your own brand of militaristic, villified, and rough ways, which are not only contrary to our values as civil libertarians, but deeply antithetical to the means of our legitimate social movement.

    The fact that the only groups which anyone from the right can point to — NOI and ELF — as representative of “armed left wing groups” sheds tremendous light on the shifting moral ground upon which the Oath Keepers stand. Neither of these groups are politically significant in contemporary politics. Yes, their practices are loathesome and you will find ample criticism of Louis Farrakhan on this site. But if this is all you have, you have nothing.

    These weak examples, like your reference to ACORN, are mere red herrings for your own militaristic, violence-preaching, hateful grassroots. It is impossible for the poisonous tree of hate to bear nourishing fruit. Give up your guns, your fear, your hate, your libels, and your prejudice, and then perhaps you will be worthy to join us in defense of civil liberties in America.

  • Gregory

    Again, we are presented with the false choice of either fully trusting the gubbmint or condoning what amounts to sedition. If fully trusting the Gov’t was a condition of service then the barracks would be a lonely place.

    I will flesh out these thoughts tomorrow but Wet_Marine’s comment deserves a response.

  • Wet_Marine

    @aadila

    We are trying to be proactive. We want to make sure that as things get worse we have some means of response. For most it’s homesteading in their apartments.
    We operate with in the law, Please name an action that OK has taken that is outside the law. Our entire mission is about adhering to the law. Ensuring that the rights we are guaranteed are protected. There is nothing wrong with “Community Organization” as far as I’m aware. Yes there are laws such as the NDAA, The Patriot Act and H.R. 347. These are all direct infringements on your rights.
    I appreciate that you see the ballot box as a means to contribute to the political process but when one looks at how the media keeps people like Rocky Anderson or Dr. Kill Stein out of the loop. There are ballot access laws that restrict people that would be fantastic politicians.
    I’ve been to war and it is not as fun as some jingoists would like us to believe and i know that we have some advocates within out ranks that believe it’s all that is left. This is due to frustration with a broken system. I know that this is not an excuse for a call to violence but there are those that believe that it is the only solution not just with in OK but in left leaning groups from The Nation of Islam to Earth Liberation Front.
    I do see and share your concern that there are people that are in every walk of life not just OK but we are lightning rod. National service and patriotism is something that draws all of us together as well as mistrust of the government.

  • Aron

    Just remember who planned the shutdown around February 2013: Edwin Meese and his TP buddies. President Obama had nothing to do with it.

    But don’t let facts get in the way of a good Obama/Hitler comparison.